In today's episode of “The Word on Fire Show,” Brandon Vogt and I discuss a recent article by Tim Keller, the popular Protestant pastor, titled “The Fading of Forgiveness: Tracing the Disappearance of the Thing We Need Most”. Why are people increasingly skeptical about forgiveness? Keller proposes two reasons: a therapeutic culture, and religion without grace. NOTE: Do you like this podcast? Become a patron and get some great perks for helping, like free books, bonus content, and more. Word on Fire is a non-profit ministry that depends on the support of our listeners…like you! So be part of this mission, and join us today: 🤍🤍patreon.com/bishopbarron ———EPISODE LINKS——— Tim Keller article: 🤍🤍cardus.ca/comment/article/the-fading-of-forgiveness/ WOFI Faith and Science Summit: 🤍wordonfire.institute/science ———WATCH——— Subscribe to this Channel: 🤍bit.ly/31LV1sn Word on Fire Institute Channel: 🤍bit.ly/2voBZMD Word on Fire en Español Channel: 🤍bit.ly/2uFowjl ———WORD ON FIRE——— Word on Fire: 🤍🤍wordonfire.org/ Word on Fire Institute: 🤍wordonfire.institute/ FREE Daily Gospel Reflections (English or Español): 🤍dailycatholicgospel.com/ ———SOCIAL MEDIA——— Bishop Barron Instagram: 🤍bit.ly/2Sn2XgD Bishop Barron Facebook: 🤍bit.ly/2Sltef5 Bishop Barron Twitter: 🤍bit.ly/2Hkz6yQ Word on Fire Instagram: 🤍bit.ly/39sGNyZ Word on Fire Facebook: 🤍bit.ly/2HmpPpW Word on Fire Twitter: 🤍bit.ly/2UKO49h Word on Fire en Español Instagram: 🤍bit.ly/38mqofD Word on Fire en Español Facebook: 🤍bit.ly/2SlthaL Word on Fire en Español Twitter: 🤍bit.ly/38n3VPt ———SUPPORT WORD ON FIRE——— Donate: 🤍🤍wordonfire.org/donate/ Word on Fire Store: 🤍store.wordonfire.org/ Pray: 🤍bit.ly/2vqU7Ft
To love as Christ loved is to love in the manner of he who is God and became man. Dear brothers and sisters. Live without respite in total faithfulness to your consecration, and you will be ready for the sacrifice of love. Gaeta, June 25,1989
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Pride is what keeps people from forgiveness, this never-ending outrage culture where people feel they have the right to point the finger at others and not themselves. It's nothing but pridefulness, and it is selfish. People who obsess over imaginary slights forget the real pain and suffering affecting millions around the world. They should stop thinking about themselves and start thinking about others and learn to forgive others for being as imperfect as they are. They need to stop thinking of themselves as pure angels. It's vanity. It's pride.
During the last days, the world has witnessed the pope acknowledging the « wrongdoings » of the Church towards the First Nations in several locations in Canada. I was left ambivalent as to how many of the liturgies were authentic expressions of christian love and remorse towards the First Nations. The episcopal representation appeared to be more interested in being with the pope than with the men and women of the First Nation. My ambivalence took an unexpected turn with the number of comments to the effect that the Church’s actions and disposition were and seemingly will remain never enough. The vicious cycle of wrongdoing, contrition and financial « reparations » seemed to have been re-initiated. And both parties have played a role in it.
Toxic individualism and the deification of self interest at the altar of consumer culture and novel self-identification are surely relatively prime factors in this social outcome. It is a crying shame.
The woman found committing adultery. The sinners who held their stones had fashioned ito the intimate interior of their soul and heart, a conviction. Their conviction Christ read. They were not their for Deuteronical Law or for the Covenant. They were to test Him. That's sin.
What does the absence of Mercy and forgiveness have to do with this?
Utilizing the Law for when it suits to do Justice for your own will, you are the problem and the culprit of the crime. This is called being corrupt.
Holding those stones and not letting them go is using the woman's shame, guilt, and fear for no recourse to Penance. It fails the purpose of the law.
Any sinner who holds onto the absence of Mercy to make the trespasser to know there is no mercy and hope, has proven to the trespasser they can only keep on acting in their trespass and sin. Therefore it does not carry out Justice. It carries a defense for the wrong and crime so that it is useful to use stones and kill people. It is a way to justify a crime and circumvent morality under the guise of a moral act.
It is like trying to justify abortion. As long as you can find a reason: woman's health, rape, etc. You can now justify abortion.
This is when moralists become criminal like a white washed tomb.
People are by then at the most perverse nature they could ever be.
That is what happens when forgiveness fades. Monsters arise.
Forgiveness is a gift that we give to ourselves.
Please, BARRON, por B Barron: couldn't You SAY MORE S-L-OW-LY ( OR, WRITE): THE PLACES I CAN GET H.E. BARRON BOOKS? Sometimes I Only cath the Word " dash"!
There is some indication in the Old Testament that forgiveness is pleasing to God though the scriptural citations are sparse .....It certainly is true that Christ definitely promotes forgiveness .... and this can be seen in various passages in the New Testament, however there is at least one passage in the Old Testament that promotes forgiveness :
Take no revenge and cherish no grudge against your own people. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
this being said, there are 8 scriptural cross references to this passage and every single one is new testament (at least in the NAB version)
God Bless Everyone!!
A priest once told me that the biblical passage concerning “judge not, lest ye be judged” translates more to “condemn not, lest ye be condemned.”..
Justice in the worldly sense may still be served, and still necessary, but you don’t want to condemn anyone to hell. You may send them to prison, but If God gave you the chance to work the door in Heaven, you should never turn your persecutor away.
How do we get to a level of enlightenment and self awareness to give and forgive? This is a crucial step.
The fade of forgivness is not because of media but the pain in heart /may bee also in body/ and bed memory not beeing able to get rid of it.Not to see cklier whether it was deliberetly or the different thinking of way of life or just to pretend to bee more clever or to see consecvences might make him famous or get use mee out.Consiliation can bee in christian face but remain......and from both sides can cause "rassizm"?!
Great lesson for life 👌 Thanks Bishop and Brandon for forgiveness lesson 👍
It would be great to have a Spanish subtitled version of each of the videos in these series. Catholics in the Spanish speaking countries in the Americas would benefit enormously if they could have the chance to share them
Interesting at PsbltHVBIWI&t=3m30s 3:30 Bishop Barron says The 20th century is the worst century on record for Christian martyrs.
Sadly I participated in the mania of vindictiveness as a catholic school teacher. The system of honoring and defending victims to promote “justice” is so addictive. It is a religion that justifies cancellation, division, exclusion, and dehumanization. Evil is so deceptive it appears as “the good.” Thankfully, I was freed from that toxicity, freed to more clearly understand mercy and forgiveness. Evidence: Word on Fire. 😁
In your opinion who do you see is the current day Thomas Merton?
Your wisdom is boundless, know all who knows nothing. And please leave those little children alone.
Forgiveness is not a natural human feeling, therefore it's normal for for it to ebb away alongside Christianity. The fascist culture we now have, which glorifies strength, is totally incompatible with forgiveness.